January 14, 2004


from - smijer

I'm sorry, fans of Boortz. I have not been feeling well for the past couple of days, and I haven't wanted to put the time or energy needed into keeping up with Neal. Here's a half-hearted effort for today. Today's Nuze Today, and Today's Nuze Tomorrow for those who like to follow along.

Neal is apparently nervous about the fact that we bed-wetters are about to break into the radio market. With Al Franken. Well, I guess we'll see if his prediction is borne out:

Let's cover just one more time why liberals fail in talk radio. First, listening to talk radio is an individual exercise. Liberals are at war against the concept of individuality. Individuals call talk shows, not groups. Secondly; the liberal agenda cannot withstand exposure to logic or fact. About the first time Al Franken regales us with stories of Bush's warnings of an "imminent threat" from Saddam Hussein, some caller is going to ask Franken to back it up with one direct Bush quote. He can't. Credibility lost.

Interesting concept though. The pre-emptive radio call-in dialogue. I hope Al Franken reads this and just saves himself the trouble. Obviously, "logical" conservatives have already concocted the "fact" that he will get creamed with questions he isn't prepared for. I won't generalize to all conservatives, because it is my experience that there are some smart ones out there. But I will point out that if Neal was representative of them, then the proper rejoinder would be that they have a very difficult time sticking to the facts, and logic is good for them insofar as it can be twisted. We have these propensities well enough documented right here on this blog.

People like Neal succeed on the radio, not because they have some special relationship with "logic and facts" that is unavailable to those who do not subscribe to his social theories, but because they are slick. They have oily tongues. They prefer a sound-bite to in-depth debate. And it's as simple as that.

Next. Speaking of logic, a homeowner and his son were killed. The homeowner chose not to own a gun. The "predator" owned one. Fine, these are facts. You can put them together with a few more facts, using a certain careful methodology, and you can start to compile statistics that are useful for debating public policy. If that's your goal. Not Neal, though. He skips all the facts (except just this one), skips the careful scientific research, skips the rational and logical debate, and jumps right to a conclusion: that gun-control activists are responsible for the deaths. What? No, I'm not kidding you. It's the disgusting truth. Direct quote from Neal Boortz: "I hope some of you anti-gun nuts read this bit today. Here's a predator who had a gun, and a homeowner who didn't. The homeowner is dead. So is his son. What great work you anti-gun people are doing. Are you proud?"

This is the same guy who was trash-talking liberal's ability to handle logic just a few paragraphs above.

I'll confess that I don't take sides in the gun debate. I think most of America is, like me, fairly happy with the status quo. There's still room left for debate (there always will be). The simple fact is, those on either side who care the most are the extremists and ideological purists. Right now, I can buy any gun I need to have with a minimum of difficulty, and I feel relatively safe in my home and my person. Ideologies and slippery slope arguments are not likely to sway me to a strong position on gun control. So, don't bother- I guess that's what I'm saying. Just note the stupidity of the Neal Boortz patented logic-free statement above. That's all.

Sorry, I'd love to rehash all the O'Neill stuff here, but I can't. Read the rest of my blog. Read Brad DeLong. Or, read all of Brad DeLong. (Dang-it with me and the wrong links today. This one is fixed).

You'll get an earful. If this is us liberals "licking our wounds," let's just keep licking them right up to the general election!

Until tomorrow, or I get energy again...


Posted by smijer at January 14, 2004 07:08 PM

Yea, I have to admit his bit on the guns was a stretch. There is absolutely no proof what-so-ever that any gun law is the reason that particular individual didn't own a gun. I think the gun-control issue is at a pretty well balanced position as is... Do I own a gun? Nope. Mainly because They are expensive. But I do appreciate the freedom to buy one if I so choose.

Also disagree with the Idea that liberals fail in talk radio because of logic. Liberals fail in talk radio for one reason... Liberals don't listen to talk radio.

Whether this is because of age, or other reasons who knows? Al Franken will most likely fail however. He is the liberal equivalent to Michael Savage (that wacko scares me). Now if they were able to get Bill Maher that might be a different story... We'll see.

univar.jpg Posted by Tim on January 14, 2004 08:52 PM
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The only thing a liberal talk show host has to do when a caller has him screwed to the wall is the same thing the Limbaugh's, Hannity's and Boortz's do. Hit the kill switch. Dump him. Next caller please. It happens all of the time. Logic has nothing to do with it.

If an American does not own a gun then it is certainly by choice. And I am absolutely pro choice. I own a gun or two and their primary purpose is to shoot the S.O.B. that comes to take them from me.

I listen to talk radio strictly for its comedic value not intellectual stimulation. If you want laughs just listen to Sean Hannity. Unbelievable. If there is a more pompous, narrow-minded, non-thinking human being on this planet I am not aware of them. My favorite portion is when he and the renowned bookie of virtues Bill Bennett have some one on one time. It gets no better than that.

univar.jpg Posted by boortzlistener on January 14, 2004 09:50 PM
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I haven't seen (heard?) Al Franken do talk radio, but I have read a couple of his books and have seen him as a guest on show's like Politically Incorrect.

Two things struck me: First, he is funny. This may be a big help in talk radio. If you go back to early Rush Limbaugh, the 1/2 correct stories and oratory could bug the heck out of you but he was funny. Condom updates -- would you like to fly in my beatiful balloon; Animal Rights updates -- Born Free with machine guns. More of the songs that you only get in the bumper music online now, etc. Second, he is a very articulate speaker and has thought through (at least for the show) the type of debate his positions are going to raise. He does not come off half-cocked or afraid that someone may take an opposing position.

Comparing Franken to Hannity (except Hannity isn't funny--even when he tries) may be more reasonable than comparison to Michael Savage. I struggle to understand how Michael Savage continues to have a radio show (I know, people must listen). His comments are repetitive, hateful, and often inane outbursts that often fail to relate to any rational or reasonable position. If you catch the first 2 minutes of the topic, you're set for the next 2 segments--that is if you can figure out what the hell he's talking about in the first place.

univar.jpg Posted by Mike on January 14, 2004 11:38 PM
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It is the sheer stupidity of Hannity that I find hilarious. I agree that when he tries to be funny it is usually an embarrassing disaster but it is when he tries to be serious that I crack up. The guy is a dunce.

The way Hannity sees it is that if you can say the pledge of allegiance to the flag and identify the vice-president, the secretary of defense and the national security advisor by looking at their photograph then and only then are you a true American.

You can always tell when he is losing an argument because he will start yelling at the top of his lungs things like "Can you say the pledge of allegiance?" "Are you for us or against us?" "Are the mass graves no longer being filled?" "Was Saddam a bad man?" Classic radio. I listen three hours a day, 5 days a week.

For alternative talk radio Bill Mahr would be my personal hands down favorite choice but I will gladly listen to anybody that is chosen as long as they don't air the same time Hannity does.

univar.jpg Posted by boortzlistener on January 15, 2004 01:27 AM
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