June 28, 2004

Why am I shocked?

from - smijer

Bush's people do something smart.

I shouldn't have to feel suprised by that.

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Posted by smijer at June 28, 2004 10:48 AM
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Very smart.

univar.jpg Posted by Mary Jane on June 28, 2004 01:48 PM
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Yeah, Bremer got the hell out of there.

1 down, roughly 150,000 to go.

univar.jpg Posted by boortzlistener on June 28, 2004 02:50 PM
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I couldn't find the post, but you once remarked that American troops would still be in Iraq after our life-times... So far you haven't been proven wrong about that.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on June 28, 2004 03:45 PM
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Yeah. I just made a similar prediction over at Armstrongs place.

It only stands to reason. We are building military bases in Iraq and they won't be staffed by Iraqi's I can guarantee you that.

Forever is a long time but I figure 40 to 50 years is a very conservative estimate.

univar.jpg Posted by boortzlistener on June 28, 2004 05:10 PM
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It's ridiculous to get our foot in the door and then not man the bases, hell we have bases in Cuba, Germany, Italy, Japan, ...all over the friggin world in places that used to be our sworn enemy.

But manning the bases and having our finger on the pulse of their economy is two different things.

univar.jpg Posted by Mary Jane on June 28, 2004 05:37 PM
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When asked what kind of government the founders had given us Benjamin Franklin is reputed to have said "we have given you a republic. It remains to be seen if you can keep it" Well. We lost it long, long ago.

If you are comfortable with an American Empire I have no quarrel with you but there is a difference in an Empire and a republic. History is strewn with the remnants of Empires. Just keep this in mind while you are clicking your heels and saluting America uber alles.

univar.jpg Posted by boortzlistener on June 29, 2004 09:08 AM
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I hardly consider America an Emperialist country...I dont think manning bases in other countries means those countries lose their sovereignty, we have no issue with their laws, their economy, or their elections.

I do think its important to have good working relations with these countries, established trade and a sharing of intelligence....if this causes you to believe that we are an Empire, well.

Now if its the decline of America that you are hinting at I feel more concerned that the world is now outpacing America in economic growth.

univar.jpg Posted by Mary Jane on June 29, 2004 10:16 AM
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we have no issue with their laws, their economy, or their elections.
Then explain to me your opinion of why we are there.
Now if its the decline of America that you are hinting at I feel more concerned that the world is now outpacing America in economic growth.

Could this be because no other country is acting as world policeman and do not have troops "all over the friggin' world"?

univar.jpg Posted by boortzlistener on June 29, 2004 12:00 PM
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we have no issue with their laws, their economy, or their elections.

Then explain to me your opinion of why we are there.

---You are suggesting that by having military bases overseas that we influence the laws, economy, and free elections of Cuba, Germany, Italy, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Japan ??

Now if its the decline of America that you are hinting at I feel more concerned that the world is now outpacing America in economic growth.

Could this be because no other country is acting as world policeman and do not have troops "all over the friggin' world"?

---Not really, I am more concerned that countries like China are garnering more foreign investments than we are.


univar.jpg Posted by Mary Jane on June 30, 2004 01:16 PM
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You are suggesting that by having military bases overseas that we influence the laws, economy, and free elections of Cuba, Germany, Italy, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Japan ??
Not really. I simply asked why you thought we were there. Why do you think we are there? Economies are generally manipulated through the use of sanctions. When it comes to elections we have a history of helping oust those who we do not approve of either militarily or covertly. And when it comes to laws it was Amschel Rothchild who said “Give me control of a nation's money supply and I care not who makes its laws.”
Not really, I am more concerned that countries like China are garnering more foreign investments than we are.
China. Now there is a country that minds its own business.



univar.jpg Posted by boortzlistener on June 30, 2004 09:29 PM
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For convenience sake I am going to move this conversation over to my house....will respond shortly dude.

univar.jpg Posted by Jadarm on July 1, 2004 04:11 PM
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