March 03, 2005

A stunning success

from - Buck

You simply must read this one from Neal today

Two years ago the United States invaded Iraq, a nation of 25 million people, and overthrew its government, that of the evil (except to liberals) Saddam Hussein. During the run-up to the war, a number of generals-turned-talking heads predicted that tens of thousands of troops would die in the initial invasion. It didn't happen. The Baathists promised to send home American troops in body bags by the thousands...that didn't happen either.

I'll admit that I was one of the ones that believed we would lose more soldiers than we have. I was operating under the assumption that Iraq had an army that would fight back. It did not so we were able to go farther, faster and with fewer casualties than at any other time in American history (to quote Sean Hannity). At the time, who knew that Iraq would throw open the door, allow us to come in and then start killing soldiers two or three at a time. It is an absolutely brilliant strategy and there is no end in site. Bleeding the treasury is a much more important goal than killing soldiers. In fact it is much more effective to wound a soldier than it is to kill him. Burying a soldier is cheap compared to societies cost of keeping a disabled soldier on the payroll for another 50 years. Notice Boortz did not mention the over 11,000 soldiers that have been wounded.

So now here we are, two years later. We've won the war and largely won the peace. Elections have been held, and the insurgency has been all but defeated. The United States will probably largely leave Iraq within 12 to 18 months. All with less than 2,000 casualties.

Now I know why Neal wants to legalize drugs and I would dearly love to have a bag of what he is smoking. There are advantages to living in La-La Land.

If President Bush had predicted 1,500 casualties before the war started, liberals would have complained that he was being unrealistic. Of course now, it's being portrayed as if it's the next Vietnam war (58,000 American troops killed there.) By any measure, the war in Iraq has been a stunning success, the American media notwithstanding.

There you have it. Unless and until 58,001 soldiers die then this war is justified and a stunning success. It would be interesting to know how many Iraqi's have died during this misadventure. I realize that they are considered much more expendable than our guys but it would be valuable information to have since "the insurgency is all but defeated".

I for one am constantly amazed when I see the strategies used by David against Goliath in the Middle East. This is definitely one for the history books. It is proof positive that you don't necessarily have to have a 3.2 billion dollar nuclear attack submarine to get your point across.


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Posted by Buck at March 3, 2005 10:15 AM
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"There you have it. Unless and until 58,001 soldiers die then this war is justified and a stunning success..."

That's an incredible leap of logic. Nowhere did he say that we need to reach the 58000 threshold for this to be considered a failure. He made the case that most of the people on the left are claiming that this is in such worse shape than it is.

It's awfully easy to deliberately 'dumb down' an argument you don't like so you can insult it glibly and feel suprior and intelligent. But that doesn't mean that it's still not outstandingly sophomorish and intellectually dishonest.

univar.jpg Posted by Tigger on March 3, 2005 10:56 AM
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It is fun to argue illogic with illogic. It took about 11 years to kill the over 58,000 that Boortz refers to and we are just getting started in the Middle East. If we pull Iran and Syria into this thing and maybe excite the Russians and the Chinese who knows what kind of casualty figures we will be looking at in 9 years.

It's awfully easy to deliberately 'dumb down' an argument you don't like so you can insult it glibly and feel suprior and intelligent. But that doesn't mean that it's still not outstandingly sophomorish and intellectually dishonest.

Probably the best definition of the Boortz modus operandi that I have ever seen in print.

univar.jpg Posted by Buck on March 3, 2005 03:51 PM
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The biggest point is that even if Iraq becomes the democracy of every neo-cons horny wet dreams, that has noting to do with defeating our enemies. All we have done is turned Iraq into the Gaza strip snap-on kit and that is considered success?

Al Qaeda can pick any country to organize and train. What specific threats have been diminished since the invasion of Iraq? The only one I can think of is that Saddam Hussein will not be able to develop a nuclear weapon and give it to terrorists, which was a fairly implausible scenario to begin with. That's a lot of blood and treasure for little practical gain.

univar.jpg Posted by Rick DeMent on March 4, 2005 12:30 PM
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