March 14, 2005

Butt Out

from - smijer

Dear Mel Gibson,

If and when I, or a member of my family are prevented from making decisions for ourselves, even if there is a dispute among those remaining about those decisions, and even if that dispute has to be settled in court: please stay the #&@! out of it! Unless and until you are licensed to practice law or medicine, and further, until you are retained by one of my family members specifically for the purpose of bringing your expertise to bear on our problem, I don't want your opinion.
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Dear Pope,

You either.
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Dear Media, government, bloggers, and everybody else,

You either.
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Dear Everyone Who Believes Michael Schiavo Is Doing This for the Money,

Get real.
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Dear Everyone Who Believes What You Hear on Hannity and Colmes,
You aren't getting the whole story. Find out more from Lindsay Beyerstein and others (for whom its also none of their business, but what the hell - Pandora's Box is open),
here, and here.
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Love,
smijer

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Posted by smijer at March 14, 2005 05:46 PM
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Where were all of these people when Governor George Bush was killing people down in Texas?
http://www.bushkills.com/

And if they think this is just a matter of money, why are they not crying out over the incredible waste of money spent killing people in California?
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=1346&scid=64

Perhaps these pharisees might do well to review Matthew 23...

univar.jpg Posted by alice on March 15, 2005 10:44 AM
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You are a bunch of cold, unfeeling, selfish, "me me", unthinking, narcissistic people. Bottom line, Bush and the Congress have nothing to do with the facts of the Schiavo case. You should have been digging for the facts of the case instead of politicizing it. More important than the controversy of whether Terri was in an irreversible vegetative state was the FACT that Terri (before her tragic accident) told her parents and one of her best friends who was recently interviewed on cable news that she was unhappy with Michael Schiavo because he was too controlling. Michael told her how often she could take the car, how often she could be with her friends and how much money she could spend. Women who have been married to men like this know how violent controlling men can be...to the point of being dangerous. I know because I, too, had been married to a controlling husband who controlled how often I could take out the car, how much money I could spend (he didn't even put my name on the checking account) and how often I could be with my friends. I eventually divorced him after he became violent and began knocking me around. Of course, he never did this in front of anyone. He put on a very good show in front of everyone else. Terri Schiavo had planned to divorce Michael and become roommates with her girl friend. The judge had this information and though this information now proved an obvious conflict of interest in letting Michael stay her legal guardian, this incompetent judge continued to allow Michael to remain her legal guardian and let him choose to get rid of her through a very, very slow and cruel death. These are the real facts. Michael never should have been allowed to have any say over Terri's fate since prior to her accident, she had already expressed to several others that she was unhappy with Michael and wanted a divorce. This is a tragedy upon a tragedy upon a tragedy. My heart cries out for Terri and for her parents, brother and sister. These are the victims in all of this. May God be with them through this crime. And shame on our judicial system for allowing this crime to take place. And shame on all of you who were too busy politicizing the case of Terri Schiavo rather than get ALL of the facts...the most important facts of all. Terri was unhappy with Michael's treatment of her and she wanted out of the marriage so that she could be in peace. May God help those who knew these facts yet still chose to let controlling Michael, the man who made Terri unhappy, choose to have her die so cruelly. And, may God help those who didn't want to know the facts of Terri Schiavo's case and only wanted to use this time to simply politicize the case. Please keep Terri, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler, and Terri's brother and sister in your prayers. They NEVER should have endured the horrible pain of seeing Terri, their beloved daughter and sister die before their eyes ever so slowly from thirst and hunger because of Judge Greer's incompetence and his willingness to support a controlling hence abusive husband.

univar.jpg Posted by Lou Ann Matthews on March 26, 2005 11:21 PM
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More important than the controversy of whether Terri was in an irreversible vegetative state was the FACT that Terri (before her tragic accident) told her parents and one of her best friends who was recently interviewed on cable news that she was unhappy with Michael Schiavo because he was too controlling.

Lou Ann, despite the fact that you put the word "FACT" in all capitals, I'm not convinced that this is the case. If it had been, I don't think the Schindlers would have remained such good friends with Michael Schiavo, and let him live with them for years after Terri's collapse. If it were a FACT, I think it would have come up much earlier - not only after the Schindlers got desperate and the pro-life movement decided to build their political clout on Terri's back.

Apart from that, I appreciate that you feel you are a member of the jury in this court of public opinion, but I don't think you've had the benefit of seeing the best evidence, since you are only getting what is put before the kangaroo court through the media and advocacy organizations. So, while I understand your judgment, and sympathize with it, I have little regard for it.

And, I don't appreciate your attempt to demonize people whom you have not met, including Michael Schiavo, whose name is systematically being drug through the mud by media innuendo, and including me and others who resist the efforts of the media to insert political activists between the doctors, the courts, and the family who are having this dispute.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 27, 2005 10:04 AM
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How crdible is the testimony of a husband as the spokesperson of his affected spouse when in fact he is engaged to marry another woman rendering the consequences of his testimonty to being the death of his current wife?

univar.jpg Posted by jimwerner on March 27, 2005 09:05 PM
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Jim, I'm not the judge of that. In case you hadn't heard, there were actually two witnesses besides Michael who rendered testimony that Terri would not have wanted to continue, but I neither examined nor cross-examined them, nor was I privy to the bulk of the evidence in the case. From Bush's appointed Guardian Ad Litem's report, Michael apparently spent years looking for hope for Terri before giving up completely, and only started dating toward the end of that time, with her parents' encouragement. That speaks to me of a devoted husband, but again, I neither examined nor cross-examined him, so I'm not the best person to judge that. Neither are you.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 27, 2005 11:04 PM
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Dear smijer: You're an asshole!

univar.jpg Posted by Nunya on April 1, 2005 07:33 PM
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"Dear Everyone Who Believes What You Hear on Hannity and Colmes,
You aren't getting the whole story. Find out more from Lindsay Beyerstein and others (for whom its also none of their business, but what the hell - Pandora's Box is open),
here, and here."

Your links to another clearly biased source as "the whole story" is amusing at best. oh and btw... both of those links go to the same site, so you might have wanted to actually link to some of those "others". one, seemingly 12 year old girl, judging by the picture of herself on every single page of her website, who clearly has her own agenda, does not constitute "the whole story".

"...nor was I privy to the bulk of the evidence in the case."

why not? it's all public record and readily available via multiple websites. maybe because you and so many others pandering this particular opinion about michael shiavo's rights don't really give a damn about the facts of this case, and especially about the dead woman herself, but are really the ones who choose to politicize it.

"From Bush's appointed Guardian Ad Litem's..."

umm... the COURT (read judge greer/self proclaimed god), not the president, appointed the ad litems.

it's just funny to me that the very people who accuse others of not trying to get the facts of the case are the most ignorant of it. don't read the press releases, regardless of the sources. don't read some other bloggers comments, regardless of their stated political agenda. don't listen to michael shiavo OR the schindlers. read the facts of the case. read the actual court transcripts. read how long ALL of the "experts" spent with terri.

read the truth.

I swear, it won't hurt you.

univar.jpg Posted by barbrx on April 3, 2005 11:41 AM
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Your links to another clearly biased source as "the whole story" is amusing at best.

If you had been reading carefully, you would have seen that my links were to "more info", not "the whole story". And why do you say this source is "clearly biased"? Because it offers information you were hoping wouldn't get out?

both of those links go to the same site, so you might have wanted to actually link to some of those "others".

No, I intentionally chose two posts from the same site, because Lindsay did a good job compiling a lot of relevant info into two small posts. She accomplished this by tracking down and linking several "others". Why re-invent the wheel?

why not? it's all public record and readily available via multiple websites. [...] read the actual court transcripts.

I seriously doubt your claim that the entire court transcripts are to be found on the internet, but even if it were, it would take days to study them all to a point where one could be well enough informed to be able to render a competent judgment. And besides, none of it is my business. I would feel dirty digging through the court records of someone whom I didn't even know. Wouldn't you?

maybe because you and so many others pandering this particular opinion about michael shiavo's rights don't really give a damn about the facts of this case, and especially about the dead woman herself, but are really the ones who choose to politicize it.

My opinion is not about Michael Schiavo or his rights. If I have an opinion about the case, it's about Terri and her rights... but mainly its about people like you sticking your nose in that family's private business. And, my opinion is this: when it is me and my spouse and parents are in a dispute over me you can butt the hell out. It ain't none of your damn business.

umm... the COURT (read judge greer/self proclaimed god), not the president, appointed the ad litems.

ummm... In case you didn't know, there was a Governor Bush who was involved in this, but you are right. Governor Bush's "Terri's Law" required the appointment, but it was a Florida judge that chose Wolfson to serve.

it's just funny to me that the very people who accuse others of not trying to get the facts of the case are the most ignorant of it. don't read the press releases, regardless of the sources. don't read some other bloggers comments, regardless of their stated political agenda. don't listen to michael shiavo OR the schindlers. read the facts of the case. read the actual court transcripts. read how long ALL of the "experts" spent with terri.

read the truth.

I swear, it won't hurt you.

Can you swear that you have read every word of the court transcripts? Can you swear that you are qualified to make a legal or medical judgment? No? I didn't think so.

It's funny -strike that- It's grim to me that people who have been "educated" about what's happening primarily on World Net Daily and Fox News know how to settle a private family's private dispute better than any of the people involved. Even if some of the doctors spent less time than Terri than you think they should have --- they've still spent more time with her than you. And there's a good reason for that.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on April 3, 2005 09:04 PM
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