March 25, 2005

In My Next Life I Want to Be Able To Say Things Like This

from - smijer

Majikthise:

1. Liberals are the champions of the weak. The weakest members of our society have as much of a right to make decisions about their medical care as the strongest, loudest bullies. That's why liberals support the rule of law and the integrity of the judicial process.

2. Liberals know that it's wrong to ram a tube into an unconsenting woman's body. But "no" doesn't mean no in the culture of life. [...]

3. Florida isn't a slave state. It is supremely offensive to suggest that Michael Schiavo should give Terri back to her parents. He's not Terri's owner, he's her husband and her guardian. There is clear and convincing evidence that Terri didn't want a tube. There is no evidence that she'd want to be intubated, divorced, and shipped home to mommy, daddy and their creepy cabal of quacks and itinerant friars. Notice the subtext: Terri's desire to control her own body doesn't matter, nice girls sacrifice their dignity to spare the feelings of others.

4. The Schiavo case is about basic fairness. It's about how everyone ought to play by the same rules. No special dispensations, no do-overs, no trials by legislation for the favored few.

5. If anyone needs a sister Souljah moment, it's the pro-tube faction. If the Schindlers are decent people, they will distance themselves from the murderous zealots who threaten the lives of judges. However, nothing in their previous behavior leads me to expect that they will stand on principle. They are more than happy to ruin Michael Schiavo's life with unsubstantiated rumors of abuse, and even attempted murder. They care so little for their daughter's memory or her marriage that they are willing to use the intimate details of her marriage as ammunition, they schemed to parade her contorted body before Congress.

6. The left stands for reason over emotion. Principle over passion. Compassion over cheap sentimentality. And most imortantly, for universality. We care about making the system better for everyone. The Schindlers have elevated themselves to the status of holy victims. They are narcissists who believe that their anguish takes precedence over all moral and legal principles. Progressives want to protect Medicare so that all Americans have health care options. We recoil at the Texas "Futile Care Act" because we believe that intimate medical decisions should be made by patients and their families and caring doctors, not by cash-strapped institutions. And unlike the right wing, we're willing to put our money where our mouth is.

7. The left has the audacious pro-life attitude that healthcare and medical research are more important than tax cuts for the rich. Gawdy spectacle is cheap, but saving lives is expensive. On the left we care about life beyond reality TV.


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Posted by smijer at March 25, 2005 02:30 PM
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Perhaps this would be a good time to practice self restraint as two parents watch their daughter starved and dehydrated unto death by a government judicial system. Whether one wants to believe it or not the following is still true: "Whatever measure you use in judging others, it will be used to measure how you are judged."

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 26, 2005 06:59 PM
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Perhaps this would be a good time to practice self restraint

I agree wholeheartedly. Let's pack up the media and the grandstanding politicians and priests and all the other cannibals who seek to profit from one family's personal tragedy, and let this be about the rule of law and Terri Schiavo's individual rights. If that causes pain and division to Terri's family, then let them bear it out without the further humiliation of a mock trial in the court of public opinion.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 26, 2005 08:09 PM
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Oh yes, by all means, let's talk all about individual rights and not grandstanding publicly and profiting from a the tragedy of this family. Let's call people who care about Terri's life cannibals and paint ourselves all nice and white and sleep soundly in our beds at night while Terri dies. Meanwile you teach and we will learn the lessons that we are being taught. Lesson One - You do NOT need a Living Will unless you WISH TO RECEIVE life support in the form of air, food, or water in this country. The courts have decided a written document is not needed for these to be withheld. You definitely need one if you do not want to be starved or dehydrated and then all you can do is hope that it will be honored. Lesson Two: Even if you are able to receive water by mouth, a court may decide that it is your time to die and arrest any family member who attempts to give you a drop of water by mouth if the court so decides that the time has come. Lesson Three: If your spouse is disabled, you may take a second spouse as common-law without giving up any marital claims of any sort that you had "over" the life of the first. Lesson Four: Brain dead and vegetative state are broadly defined and only a liberal judge appointed by a democrat is really able to make that determination. Forget the Mayo Clinic and any team of doctors on staff there, they are not on the bench. Lesson Five: If you have family members in need care of in the state of FL you would do well to use your funds to remove them from the USA rather than taking them through the court system.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 27, 2005 03:37 PM
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Thank you, Jan. Where would our country be if it's courts of public opinion had no juries?

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 27, 2005 03:44 PM
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Sorry about the many spelling and typo errors. My rage causes my hands to shake. I have found it very difficult to cope with reality this week and I can assure you that there are thousands of others who feel as I do. Christian conservatives are not looking at this as a political battle and I am so sorry that Terri has to pay the ultimate price because so many others perceive it as such.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 27, 2005 03:44 PM
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Christian conservatives are not looking at this as a political battle

I agree again. If Christians of any stripe could see the hands hands that move them around the board - see them for what they really are - they would recoil in revlusion rather than join the game. It's a shame that their reverence for life and their good instincts are being put to use as a political weapon.

It is my hope that one day American Christians will take a good long look at their political masters, throw off that yoke, and stop being tools.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 27, 2005 03:52 PM
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(One other thing) Greer is a Republican and Southern Baptist (or was, anyway)... 7 of 9 Supreme Court justices were Republican appointees, and the two justices on the three judge panel of the 11th circuit court who voted not to re-insert the tube were appointed by Republicans. In all, 22 justices, mostly conservative ones, have ruled against the Schindlers. Maybe, just maybe, something about the testimony and evidence presented in real court convinced them that Terri would have wanted the tube removed and that Terri was truly and completely vegetative: not "minimally conscious", not "in a coma", not just "brain-damaged", but vegetative. Of course, I know that the media have re-litigated the case in the court of public opinion, and you are just doing your job as a juror, but can you at least concieve of the possibility that the evidence presented to that court was stacked by a media-savvy consortium of religious and political activists?

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 27, 2005 03:59 PM
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If the media retried the case, what are people like you and Dave doing? What is your motive? Who is moving you around the board? What do you get out of this? Actually, neither you nor I are not being played. The liberals do not give a flip whether you are with them or against them at this point and they know the conservatives have lost this battle. As they increase in power, they will pay less and less attention to the will of the people.

Let me ask you one question. What happened to the standard that a patient signs a legal document called a living will that is binding in court to determine their wishes in the case of incapacitating illness? Since when is the word of a second party accepted as a standard in the court system of the USA? You can paint the court with whatever brush makes you feel better, but would you not agree that we should require a written document unless a person is brain dead. Another question. Are there any standards left in this country concerning bigamy? Do our courts now accept this without question? Common law marriages are legal, you know. Would you not agree that there is a tiny problem here? I did learn the motive behind the liberal support of Michael Schaivo and it came from an attorney who was given a mouthpiece by Fox News. It is nauseating to me. I am sorry that you have chosen to be a part of this, but at least you should acknowledge that Terri had to be sacrificed to accomplish a political goal rather than pretend that this was done in her best interest. The argument is even being put forth now that the judicial system is supposed to legislate! The entire process was a power grab. This case was convenient because the parents were desperate and reached out for help. The courts wanted to set a precedent and they did. They have been doing this for some time. This case just brought a lot of attention due to the personal interest and the fact that many people did try and help the Schindlers. Many were not Christians nor conservatives. They were just people who thought Terri should be put under the care of her parents. The parents should have taken her out of the country instead of asking for help through the legal system, but how could they have known this. The judicial system is more powerful now than before this case and that enables the powers behind them to move in the direction they choose and ignore the will of the people. It has been going on for some time. At my age, I will not be so affected in my lifetime, but my grandchildren will live in a much different America than the America that I knew. The balance of power that protected us for so long is slowly eroding away and people like you and Dave and so many 'well-meaning liberals' are helpiing the process along.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 27, 2005 08:55 PM
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I'll take your reply as a "no" to the question about whether you could admit the possibility that the real court got a truer picture than Rupert Murdoch's Kangaroo court. And if you can't acknowledge that possibility then this discussion can't go forward. But I would like to know who Dave is.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 27, 2005 11:00 PM
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Sorry, I thought Dave was the name of the person you quoted, maybe I need to look again. Let me say this, I knew without waiting or watching the news that the courts were going to say "no" to Terri's parents request. I also knew why. Our courts have been waiting on a case like this one. For sometime the proponents of euthanasia have wanted to get a benchmark ruling and this was a perfect opportunity. That is why I say the parents should have taken her out of the country. Liberals also saw this as an opportunity to get back at conservatives who have more support than they like in FL. Terri's life was secondary. Thirdly, when a battle emerges between executive, legislative and judicial, judicial will trump unless Americans decide they do not want one branch more powerful than the other two.

I really should not have visited your site and begun this argument as it takes away more pieces and I can't afford to lose anymore, but watch the news now as Michael has Terri cremated even though she is Catholic. Maybe you can see his motives a little better when he does this.

I will say this much and then drop it. Christains and conservatives have as much right to demonstrate and use the power of public opinion as do any other minority group. It does not mean that they are too stupid to know any better. Try and get over it and try to remember that you have marched with others who used this avenue. How stupid was that? Certainly you have the right in this country to insult and use every verbal insult as a weapon, but words cannot be retracted and a wise man uses them sparingly.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 28, 2005 07:38 AM
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I have a couple more things to say, too:

If I'm ever in the situation Terri is in, I want my wife to do exactly as Michael Schiavo has done... right down to the part where she gets on with her life and starts to date again.

You are right. Even though Conservatives and Christians deserve the moniker of "ruling class" more than "minority", they have every right to demonstrate to advance their views. However, if they choose to stage their demonstration on my corpse, and on the backs of my family, I will find a way to come back and haunt them.

And while my wife stands by my side until all hope is gone, and then acts to fulfill my wishes the way she understands them, if conservative Christians decide to drag her name through the mud, call her a murderer, and every other kind of insult they can dig up, I will come back to haunt them.

And when my body dies, and she inters it in the way that she believes I would want it interred, if someone who has never met me hints that they know better than she does how I would want to be buried just because Fox News broadcast to them my religious beliefs, I will come back to haunt them, too.

My parents, if they behave as Terri's parents have, will be forgiven. They have a right to an opninion, and they have a right to do what they believe I would want, even if they are wrong about it. And they can even take my wife to court over it (although I would rather them not litigate over my body for 15 years!) But if the court rules, rightly, in favor of my wife, and the ruling class attempts to use that decision to further attack the courts and to try to remove judicial checks on legislative power, without regard for my family's grief or privacy, I will come back to haunt that ruling class.

Right now there are parents somewhere grieving over the death of a beloved daughter. Only their daughter was not already in a persistent vegitative state when she died. Their parents did not have the opportunity to plead with the governor or the House Majority leader to save their daughters' life. They did not have dozens of courts to plead to on behalf of their daughter. Two weeks ago, people all over the country gathered to support those parents, and to protest the death of that daughter. I was one of them. Did CNN do a twenty-four hour, week-long special on those parents, and that daughter? Did Fox News lead every hour with photos of our signs? Did the conservatives and Christians get a call to get involved in those individuals' grief and pain? Did Christians and Conservatives go hold a vigil outside their home, before or after the shrapnel entered her body? I wonder why a woman who is allowed to die according to her own wishes in Florida merits so much more attention than one that is killed by an American bullet or bomb in Iraq. Why is the husband who never sought a public life, and whose only crime was to ask a court to fulfill his wife's wishes, so much more a villain than the powerful professional politician who ordered the killing of that innocent girl in Iraq?

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 28, 2005 09:25 AM
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You need to take another look at reality. The last time I looked, we had an all volunteer military. But that is a diversion tactic on your part! The topic is not the war in Iraq. It is the court ordered starvation of Terri Schaivo. The last time I checked, the parents were not asking, they were begging for help by any means available. The last picture of Terri on CNN it was much different than the picture I saw on FOX News. How could one news program have such a different picture than another unless....? Actually, you are seeing truth as you want to see it. You are making facts fit what you desperately hope is the truth because, let's face it, if Sean Hannity, Terri's parents, Terri's brother and sister, Terri's best friends, several of the nurses there in the hospice where she has been for twelve years, and a team of doctors who examined her are correct, all of your lofty statements cannot change the fact that your government and my government starved and dehydrated a severely handicapped woman to death. Does it not bother you any at all that she is refused water and ice chips by mouth? She is being starved even though the evidence is overwhelmingly against her being in a vegetative state and even with with testimony that her wishes were to live. Check here http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050316235609990012
for a pretty good indicator that Sean Hannity is right and you are, shall I say, dead wrong. Do you not even wonder what it would have hurt to have ordered an MRI before starving her? Do you wonder why M. S. did not want her to have therapy? You need to make out a living will and designate your last wishes if you fear a similar spectacle. Putting it in writing might not be necessary for the courts, but it could certainly help those involved to know. The courts chose to deny Terri water and nutrition because ONE person said she would want it that way while at least a 1/2 dozen others said that she would not. As for me personally, I hope no one ever chooses to starve or dehydrate me. If you want me out of the way, give me an easy way to go, please. By the way, if the brain stem is only fluid, why does Terri need morphine?

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 29, 2005 06:25 PM
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The last time I looked, we had an all volunteer military.

What the hell does that have to do with it? I'm asking why the parents of that child in Iraq are so much less important than the parents of Terri Schiavo that you don't have to stage a vigil outside their house? What do they care if the army that invaded them was volunteer or not?

But that is a diversion tactic on your part! The topic is not the war in Iraq. It is the court ordered starvation of Terri Schaivo.

I just wonder why the court orderd death of Terri Schiavo is so important and all of the deaths ordered by the President in Iraq weren't. Why do deaths from mercury poisoning not count? Why do deaths from futile care laws not count? Why does capital punishment and the resulting executions of the innocent not count? Why is it that a certain segment of the population is all up in arms over Terri Schiavo, to the point that they are willing to deny her the right to privacy and the right to self determination, and willing to destroy her husband to get their message out, when they are quiet as a mouse about all these other deaths? If the courts ordered her to be euthanized by Dr. Kevorkian, instead of ordering her tube to be pulled, would everyone pack up their bags and go home and quit inciting hatred and violence against a bunch of republican judges and a husband who is trying to fulfill his wife's wishess?

How could one news program have such a different picture than another unless....?

Unless what? Unless there have been thousands of photos taken of her over a long period of time, and the press, without her consent, has access to all of them?

Does it not bother you any at all that she is refused water and ice chips by mouth?

For what purpose? How does this help, Dr. Jan?

I checked your AOL news link, but I couldn't see much to make me feel that I am wrong about the people who have managed to create the movement you've joined. Did you have something specific in that article that would make me so much smarter than Terri's husband? Was there something there that would lend me knowledge well beyond what the courts had access to?

Do you not even wonder what it would have hurt to have ordered an MRI before starving her?

I don't wonder much about that. I'm no doctor. From what I've heard in this court of public opinion (where I try to remain a disgusted spectator, rather than juror), she has had metal implants in her skull (part of an experimental therapy that Michael was desperate enough to try while he still had hope for her recovery). From what I heard in this court of public opinion the neurologists said that an MRI was redundant because the CT scans, EEG, and 15 years of clinical evidence were conclusive without it, and it was contraindicated because of the metal in her head. But I'm not sitting in that jury box where you have presumed to seat yourself, so I don't hold myself accountable for knowing every little tiny detail of her medical situation. Obviously, you don't need to know anything more than what your Masters at Fox News tell you in order to sit comfortably in that jury box. I won't do it. I won't play the games this media circus wants me to play.

Do you wonder why M. S. did not want her to have therapy?

No, I don't. In fact, I don't even know that M.S. "did" not want her to have therapy. From the report of Jeb Bush's appointed Guardian Ad Litem, M.S. pursued extensive therapy for her in hopes that she could recover, including the experimental therapy that left metal in her head. However, there may be more or less to that story than I know, because I'm not the judge, and I'm not a doctor, and I'm not going to pretend like I am one of those things so I can dance on the ends of the strings being pulled by a bunch of big money jerk-offs who don't give a damn about Terri Schiavo or her family, their privacy, or their grief. I'm not sitting in that jury box.

The courts chose to deny Terri water and nutrition because ONE person said she would want it that way while at least a 1/2 dozen others said that she would not.

I guess that's what the testimony was in the court of public opinion. In Judge Greer's court, THREE people supposedly testified that she had indicated she would not want to continue in a vegetative state relying on machines to live. According to his decision, and that of innumerable appeals courts who reviewed the case, the testimony that was presented to the contrary was not compelling. I'm not sure why because I WASN'T IN THE DAMN COURTROOM AND I DIDN'T HEAR THE TESTIMONY. I hear that the testimony from her parents, it was discovered upon cross-examination, referred to statements Terri had made when she was eleven years old. I also hear that the testimony from two of the other three witnesses spoke to a time when Terri was discussing what her wishes would be in the context of a movie that she had watched about end of life events, which might be one reason the MANY JUDGES WHO ACTUALLY HEARD AND REVIEWED THE TESTIMONY placed more emphasis on that testimony.

By the way, if the brain stem is only fluid, why does Terri need morphine?

Well, you're the expert, Dr. Jan, but what I have learned about the case - NOT THAT IT'S ANY OF MY BUSINESS - was that her brain STEM was still intact. I have also heard, not that it is any of my business, not being a family member, doctor, legal representative, or trained jurist, that her CEREBRAL CORTEX was completely, or almost completely, atrophied. Why does she need morphine? I don't know. I've never been in medical school. You're the expert: why don't you tell me?

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 29, 2005 07:17 PM
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If it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, why do you bring it up on YOUR web-site along with numerous other topics that are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. You make things your business when you do that and you in effect say, "I have a right to my all knowing opinion, but those who disagree should go away quietly and say nothing or I will abuse them as I do everyone who disagrees with me or who has an opinion that I do not like. How dare anyone question the courts when I like their decision!?!" Now if they should come down with a decision you do not like, such as upholding the electoral vote in the state of FL, the court's decision becomes your business. Is that not how it works? You seem to think you know more about foreign policy than a group of cabinet men, Congress, college graduates, and many in your own political party. That is your business, I guess.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 30, 2005 10:32 AM
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It's none of my business because this is a single family's private affair. Neither Terri nor Michael Schiavo invited my opinion of their personal grief.

Yes, I have opinions about a lot of public issues, and I express them like any citizen should. But I shouldn't even know about what is going on between this individual family, their doctors, and the courts, much less take on the priviledges of a family member, their doctor, and the court that helps them settle their disputes.

The reason I corrected you on a few points of fact in your last post was to point out that the jury of public opinion isn't nearly as well informed as the courts that heard the case. Look at the basic facts of which you were completely unaware. Are you really qualified to settle another family's issues? Are you really qualified to judge between them and help spread innuendo against a man who is innocent of anything but standing by the wishes of his wife and not caving to the death threats and the smearing of his reputation by people like Randall Terry and Tom DeLay?

Michael and Terri Schiavo are not public figures. They did not choose to be politicians. They didn't invite the leering eyes of a voyeuristic nation to peer into their private lives. There's quite a difference between judging the actions of people who have chosen a career in publicly representing the people, and forming opinions about a private family who never asked you. Your opinions of George Bush or Bill Clinton or even Judge Greer are all your business and you are welcome to express them. I think it is grotesque that Tom Delay and Randall Terry and Jeb Bush and our big money media have seen fit to bring the spotlight on a private family's grief and to invite an unqualified and uninformed public to pontificate about the decisions that family has made.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 30, 2005 10:48 AM
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Many, many, many private decisions become public when a private citizen feels that he or she cannot get justice in a court. You want to keep it private if you agree with the court. You want to make it public when you do not. Civil rights issues all began as private citizens against the government. If you cannot see the hypocrisy of yourself and those who claim to be for individual rights, I should certainly give up trying to open your eyes. If Terri had a written document stating that she would like food and water to be withheld, her parents would not be fighting for her today. This has always been the standard. If a living will is NOT required, what good are they? Why bother in the first place? Why do doctors ask patients if they have a Living Will? If the courts had better defined 'life-support', this might not be an issue. You are just wrong to say that Terri's parents have no right to question the ruling of the courts in this case. The court is wrong. You can use it as a soap box to malign those you hate and you have, but that does not make what they are doing wrong and it does not prove that they are just seeking publicity for their own gain. That is you judging them by your own standard. We all tend to believe that others have a heart like our own, but often that is not the case.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 30, 2005 11:20 AM
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Many, many, many private decisions become public when a private citizen feels that he or she cannot get justice in a court. You want to keep it private if you agree with the court. You want to make it public when you do not.

Yes, people have a right to seek publicity for themselves when they feel that they have been slighted justice. There's a difference between putting yourself under the glare and putting your daughter and son-in-law there without their consent. The bigger problem, however, is that the carnivores in the media have decided to turn it into a circus. Instead of just reporting what is going on and moving on to the next story, they have been glorying in it every day, calling in "experts" who may or may not be credentialled and may or may not be familiar with the case to pontificate on TV... shoving a microphone into the face of anybody who thinks they have the slightest thing to say on the matter (including TV psychic fraud John Edward who supposedly communed with her soul and assured us it is still in her body and she is quite aware), and basically turning a private dispute into a disgusting public spectacle. They've done this with zero regard for the privacy, grief, or reputation of the people involved.

I have sympathy for the parents, but they had their day in court, and they should not have exposed their daughter and son-in-law to that media circus and trial by media, especially one where charlatans and reputable doctors are presented without distinction on the TV screen and misinformation or misleading amateur analysis is more prevalent in the media than factual information.

If the courts had better defined 'life-support', this might not be an issue.

Florida LAW defined 'life-support' to specifically include feeding tubes. That's the problem with taking individual cases and re-trying them in the court of public opinion... there are a whole lot of facts that just never make it to the jurors. You thought that Michael was the only one who testified that Terri wouldn't want to continue on a feeding tube, when actually two others did. You didn't know why Terri's doctor didn't order an MRI, even though that information was available to the courts. You thought that Michael didn't want Terri to have therapy, even though he spent the first four years after the hypoxic event pursuing therapy for her. You thought that the courts were responsible for defining life-support. I'm getting a picture here of a person who is very badly misinformed on the case.

It is offensive to me that people who are so badly misinformed about an issue are willing to insinuate themselves in a position where really only family members and the doctors, lawyers, and judges who are required to settle the issue belong. But the fact is that the politicians and media are encouraging every American to do so.

It is offensive to me that people who are so badly misinformed about an issue are able to insinuate against or accuse Michael Schiavo of every kind of monstrous evil with impunity. Michael didn't invite this intrusion into his family. He's not guilty until proven innocent, and he doesn't deserve to have death threats against him and hatred coming from a bunch of people who don't know the first thing about him.

In the civil rights movement, people put themselves on the line, not others. They didn't drag out innocent individuals who were just trying to fulfill their families' wishes into the glare of spotlights and prod and poke them for the sick amusement of a bunch of holier-than-thou Fox News watchers. I think your comparison to the fight for civil rights is odious.

P.S., you didn't answer my question. Why the morphine? Please explain to me the pathophysiology of PVS, dehydration, Ketosis, and whatever else you know about that is involved in Terri's situation right now and explain to me why morphine is or isn't indicated. I wonder if the information you have on that is as reliable as the rest of the information you have on her medical and family situation.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 30, 2005 11:56 AM
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One other thing, since you brought an accusation of hypocrisy against me, why don't you answer my other question? Why did you choose to insinuate yourself only in this one other family's life? Why not the Iraqi families who have children dead, or missing limbs, or dying from a lack of access to clean water? Why is Terri Schiavo's "court ordered starvation" so much more important than the court ordered execution of innocent people who were wrongly convicted of capital crimes? Is it just the starvation part? Would this fade into the background if she were euthanized by Dr. Kevorkian? If it isn't just the starvation, then why aren't you having a media circus around all of these other suffering families who suffer at the hands of our President or our courts?

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on March 30, 2005 12:00 PM
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I definitely think that it is barbarian to starve and dehydrate Terri while her parents, siblings, and friends beg to care for her. I heard those in the liberal press describe how Terri would die in a euphoric state, so I ask the question concerning the morphine. (Am I likely to be arrested now? Is my name of a list for questioning?) Maybe if I explain to you... Here is the only reason I asked about the morphine!! If her starvation and dehydration is producing euphoria, as is claimed, I wondered why the need for drugs. Certainly if she were in a coma, one would not expect her to need anesthesia, but I think the press has given up that part of the charade. They no longer are telling us that she is in a coma. I am sorry I offended you. I did not realize that you were in the court room or that you knew Michael. I thought perhaps her siblings, parents, friends and the nurses were decent and reliable people. I guess you never know. The video of her smiling at her mother must have been made prior to her 'accident' or heart attack. I realize that I have made a serious offense by questioning a high court decision. We should all go back and smile and be very compliant until the next whistle blows.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 30, 2005 05:06 PM
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I forgot to answer the questionaire you gave me. I guess I got shaken because I realized I had stepped over a line. I am very concerned about the people of Iraq and of Afghanistan. I take great comfort in knowing that as we speak clean water ways are being built and new roads. It pleases me that food is being distributed to those who are hungry and as far as I can tell, no on is being forced to starve. If you have a name and address of someone (other than a terrorist) from whom food and water is being withheld, please send it to me and I will personally contact Fox News. Just today I learned of women in Afghanistan being taught to read for the first time ever. Great steps in human rights are being made there, though not always reported. Every person of whom I know on death row has access to a lawyer and can petition until his or her dying breath for a new trial. Give me the name of the person you are concerned about and I will look into that. If the ACLU has not taken up the cause or at least looked into it, I will write them myself! I have never known anyone in this country who was starved to death before now. Do you? As for those who have lost children, I do not know how you can restore that loss. Do you? I suppose you are upset because I called you a hypocrite, but that is what I see. It is hypocrisy when you claim to care so much about human rights and then care so little about one person. You made a decision that Michael Schiavo had a right to have Terri's feeding tube removed and you are furious with anyone who thinks differently. I say he should have a written document. I say he does not have the right to refuse her water by mouth or to end her therapy. The nurses should be allowed to offer her water and nutrition by mouth. If she can take enough to sustain her life, so be it. Her parents also should have the right to question his decision and to bring all extenuating circumstances to light. You believe they have no rights. I call that hypocrisy. You did not answer my question about a Living Will.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 30, 2005 05:31 PM
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As you know, I have questioned many court decisions. As you already know, CNN and many other news sources described Terri as comatose just three weeks ago. They dropped the term when many commentators and her parents complained about the poor reporting. I am very thankful for a news agency that gives Americans the rest of the news and presents both sides of every news story. While you cannot remember because you were into other causes, there was a time in this country when there was only one viewpoint presented nationwide and that was the liberal ideology. This could have been done as quietly a years back. You are a either naive or dishonest if you think that this court decision has nothing to do with liberal politics or euthanasia.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on March 31, 2005 06:33 AM
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