April 11, 2005

Living in different worlds

from - Buck

While I spent a glorious weekend enjoying Alison Krauss at the Fox Theater on Saturday night and also watching what was probably the greatest Masters tournament ever played on Sunday, the Iraqi’s were showing their deep appreciation for all we have done to liberate their country.

Their gratitude is awe-inspiring.

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Posted by Buck at April 11, 2005 10:40 AM
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For a more accurate report please check this out:

http://www.mercycorps.org/items/1572/

But count on CNN to bring any bad news. This paragraph in the CNN report is very revealing.

'The protesters were largely supporters of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose Mehdi Army battled U.S. and Iraqi troops last year in Baghdad's Sadr City and Najaf, 100 miles (161 kilometers) south of the capital.'


univar.jpg Posted by Jan on April 11, 2005 01:25 PM
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It is interesting that the protesters were Shi'a rather than, for instance, Sunni, but it isn't all that surprising to me to learn that the same people who are protesting the U.S. making war on their country are alos supportive of the armed resistance.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on April 11, 2005 02:04 PM
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Buck, Did you see the AOL headline today? It indicates we will soon begin troop withdrawal on a large scale. I think that one thing that has caused so much confusion is that many Americans really do think that the USA "made" war on the country of Iraq. Actually, the USA went to war to unseat Saddam Hussein and to do a full weapons inspection. We were never at war against the people of Iraq. Only those who were loyal to Saddam are fighting us now. The propaganda mills are busy trying to convince you that your country went into Iraq and murdered civilians to take oil and land. Oil prices should give you a heads up that this is not true. Free elections and troop withdrawal should prove to you that we are not interested in controlling Iraq or flying our flag over their land. Those who hate America and all that we stand for would rewrite our history and turn the minds of as many young people as possible against their own government. We are at war here, but it is a war fought for the minds of our youth. Remember the youth camps in the Soviet Union. Children were taken out of the home at age three and indoctrination was begun. It worked to the degree that communist dictators held on from 1917 until the 80's. It is insidious and deceptive and it does work. Americans have been very vulnerable. There are still voices out there, but each time a new generation looks to government to meet their needs, rather than to self, we lose another battle.

univar.jpg Posted by Jan on April 11, 2005 04:20 PM
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I saw the headline everywhere Jan. Time will tell. Being the cynic that I am I consider the news to be preparation for the 2006 mid-term elections. Between now and then there will be headlines calling for an increase in troops. It will bounce back and forth. Action speaks louder than words. We'll both watch this play out because that is all we can do from where we sit. And I will never believe that we went to war for oil in order to lower the price. But I absolutely will always believe that the war was for oil and control of it. That makes perfect sense to me. All of this freedom and democracy nonsense is just that......nonsense. People came to the New World originally in search of gold. Baptizing the Indians was just for show. In the world today oil is gold.

univar.jpg Posted by Buck on April 11, 2005 04:52 PM
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I think that one thing that has caused so much confusion is that many Americans really do think that the USA "made" war on the country of Iraq. Actually, the USA went to war to unseat Saddam Hussein and to do a full weapons inspection. We were never at war against the people of Iraq.

In a sense, all wars are against governments, not people. Hitler invaded France because he wanted a ruler in France that was subservient to his own government. He wasn't there to make war on the "people of France". You can tell me that the USA went to war to replace Saddam Hussein with a west-friendly regime, and I will believe you. However, I would be utterly naive to believe your claim that it was about weapons inspections. Bush and Blair called a halt to the successful weapons inspections that were already underway so that the war could be started. Anyone who is telling you that it was about weapons inspections is no friend of the truth.

Those who hate America and all that we stand for would rewrite our history and turn the minds of as many young people as possible against their own government. We are at war here, but it is a war fought for the minds of our youth. Remember the youth camps in the Soviet Union. Children were taken out of the home at age three and indoctrination was begun. It worked to the degree that communist dictators held on from 1917 until the 80's. It is insidious and deceptive and it does work. Americans have been very vulnerable.

This is actually very true. Every statement of it is very true. Unfortunately, it isn't just the youth that are vulnerable. The problem is, that people really have come to believe the propaganda. Let me quote from your message:

I think that one thing that has caused so much confusion is that many Americans really do think that the USA "made" war on the country of Iraq.

When too many people believing that the truth is true becomes a cause of confusion, we are at a crisis point in our national consciousness. If you are against rewriting history, then you should think that it is a good thing that some people still understand that the U.S. military invaded the country of Iraq, and not the other way around.

As for the motivation that the Bush administration had for starting this war, we may never know the full answer. I'm sure that Buck's suspicions aren't entirely ungrounded, however I think there was at work some pure, naive, utopian belief that the U.S. could reshape the Middle East into our own image with this adventure, as well.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on April 11, 2005 06:38 PM
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It is just like "Tears for Fears" once said

"EVERYBODY WANTS TO RULE THE WORLD"

univar.jpg Posted by Buck on April 11, 2005 09:54 PM
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