June 15, 2005

Terri Schiavo Apology Watch

from - smijer

None at BlogsAgainstTerri'sWishes, though a priest says the facts don't mean anything, if that helps.

Matter of fact report of the autopsy results at Justice From Terri Schiavo's Parents' Perspective. The only comment at this time seems to be a bit of sour grapes.

Terri Schindler-Schiavo Wasn't What She Called Herself mentions the priest. No apology.

The rest of the pretend-doctor-and-make-believe-detective-o-sphere seems to be silent for now. I'm sure they will append their apologies just after Bill Frist takes the Senate Floor to make his own.

Update: None yet at the ironically named Apologies Demanded. Gosh... you'd think they'd be the first one out...

Udpate#2: Prolife or reasonable facsimile thereof Blogs has a roundup of (non-) apologies from various interested parties. (This blog has apparently deleted my trackback ping)

Update#3: An actual apology, found amongst the links rounded up above. This apology only extends to the Florida Press. I do not think that the author explicitly condemned Michael Schiavo as many others have done, so he need not apologize on that point. On the other hand, he allowed himself to be used by the religious right's propaganda to assist the effort to interfere with Michael's attempt to carry out his wife's wishes, and therefore owes them both an apology. Curtis still labors under the mistaken belief that Terri was never tested for PVS while living. In fact, she was and was so diagnosed.

Update #4: More at "Justice"... Surprisingly, the parents "don't believe" the autopsy report. Who'd a' guessed it? Plus, a commenter who still hasn't figured out the extent to which he or she has been duped asks, innocently, "How is it that the autopsy report states she was blind when she was able to track a balloon?"... Honey, the answer is that she wasn't able to track a balloon. The appearance that she did, along with many other false appearances were the result of very carefully edited video. Don't worry, though - You're in good company.

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Posted by smijer at June 15, 2005 03:37 PM
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Read the autopsy report. It's inconclusive, as opposed to what the media is saying:

http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/5050439_autopsy%20report%20and%20supporting%20documents.pdf

There is no evidence that Michael Schiavo strangled her, but there is also no evidence that she had a heart attack or an eating disorder as those on his side claimed. However, evidence of strangulation could have become undetectable after 15 years, according to the autopsy report (if you actually read it).

There is no evidence of PVS from the autopsy, since an autopsy can't prove PVS. So your partisan attack on Bill Frist below is unfounded, too.

The only thing that the autopsy proved is that she was severely brain damaged, and we all already knew that.

I won't hold my breath for you to apologize for getting your facts wrong, though. Instead I'll let you get back to mindlessly crying about the "theocracy!!!".

univar.jpg Posted by Autopsies can't show PVS on June 15, 2005 05:37 PM
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I've never read an autopsy report before, so I can't form an opinion on it independently. However, you seem to be well informed about them. What medical school did you graduate from? Or is it just that "I'm sorry" is too difficult to say?

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on June 15, 2005 05:57 PM
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I was not asserting that she was not tested for PVS, merely that there was, at the time- without the benefit of the autopsy, sufficient data to be absolutely sure. There were PVS tests, but the Schindler family had raised what were significant questions about the validity of them.

Also, I would disagree that we know Michael's "wife's wishes". As stated in the post which you referenced, the family had raised their own concerns about them- thus it was impossible to determine what those wishes were, given the speculation.

univar.jpg Posted by curtis on June 17, 2005 03:25 PM
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Well, the tests were convincing to her neurologist, and the courts found clear and convincing evidence that she was in PVS and would not have wished to remain that way.

I understand her parents' feelings, but that doesn't make their efforts to undermine the findings of the best experts who examined her legitimate. I understand how those efforts, amplified in the media, created doubt in the minds of people who relied only upon the media and a few bits of carefully prepared video for their information, but that doesn't mean that the people who were intimately involved in the case must share those doubts.

Schiavo, the expert doctors, and a whole passle of judges were proven right by the autopsy - the doubts were proven wrong.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on June 17, 2005 05:24 PM
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I thought you said you didn't understand autopsies.

univar.jpg Posted by Chris Arndt on June 17, 2005 07:17 PM
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Yep - that's what I said. That's why I can't form and independent opinion of what they mean. I have to rely on people who do understand them.. like the people that did one on Terri Schiavo, then had a press conference about the results.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on June 17, 2005 07:33 PM
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It's kind of funny that they are unable to close the autopsy or the investigation due to the inabililty to find the cause if her neurologist and everyone else that you mention were so sure of it. Besides, there are other means of suffocation that could cause her state than strangulation. She may have been suffocated by a pillow and that would not show on an autopsy at all. You might want to look at the new questions raised against Michael and his attitude towards them.

univar.jpg Posted by Just thinking on June 18, 2005 10:32 AM
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It's kind of funny that they are unable to close the autopsy or the investigation due to the inabililty to find the cause if her neurologist and everyone else that you mention were so sure of it. Besides, there are other means of suffocation that could cause her state than strangulation. She may have been suffocated by a pillow and that would not show on an autopsy at all. You might want to look at the new questions raised against Michael and his attitude towards them.

univar.jpg Posted by Just thinking on June 18, 2005 10:32 AM
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Yeah, and there's absolutely no proof that James Dobson didn't suffocate her. I think we should take a serious look at these allegations against him. After all, if there isn't any evidence against somebody what's left but to start making stuff up to smear them with?

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on June 18, 2005 11:35 AM
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Is that what coroners do? Make stuff up to smear someone's name? I wasn't aware that was part of their job description. The new questions raised were raised by the one's doing the autopsy...not Schiavo's parents like you'd have everyone to believe.

univar.jpg Posted by Just thinking on June 19, 2005 11:46 AM
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She may have been suffocated by a pillow and that would not show on an autopsy at all. You might want to look at the new questions raised against Michael and his attitude towards them.

I'm pretty sure this was you, not the coroner. Like I said, there's no evidence that James Dobson didn't sneak in and suffocate her with a pillow. That doesn't mean that there are "new questions raised against" Dobson. If I pretended it did, that would mean I was making things up to smear somebody.

Michael Schiavo has been smeared in the press by the parents and in everyday conversation by people like you for the last couple of years. Now that all of the allegations against him have turned out to be without evidence or merit, and now that it turns out that Terri's doctors were right about her condition... Don't you think it's time to take a break from making up "new questions" against him and just offer the apology you owe?

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on June 19, 2005 11:57 AM
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No merit? Bigamy is illegal in Florida yet Schiavo had a common-law wife and maintained a legal interest in the case of his first wife despite proof of commitment or actual dedication.

What does Dobson have to do with smothering people?

univar.jpg Posted by Chris Arndt on June 23, 2005 02:26 AM
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Chris, the James Dobson thing was in reply to the person posting under the name "Just Thinking"... He was suggesting that because suffocation by a pillow couldn't be ruled out that we should assume Michael Schiavo suffocated her with a pillow. I was just pointing out that the same flawed logic could equally well allow us to assume that James Dobson smothered her with a pillow. The autopsy results can't, after all, rule that out.

Yes, after a few years, Michael did move on with his life, while continuing to try to fulfill his remaining obligations to his first wife. That wasn't a libelous accusation. That was a simple, well known, and never-denied fact. I'm talking about all the B.S. about his abusing her, "denying" her therapy (after he had attempted to get her every available therapy, including new "experimental" therapy in CA), having tried to murder her, etc... Basically, I'm talking about the smear campaign. Yes, there were a few actual facts that made it into the media, too. I'm just talking about the smear campaign, like your attempt to read Michael's mind and pronounce that he had no "actual dedication" to her, despite his willingness to turn down $1million offers in exchange for abandoning her.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on June 23, 2005 07:37 AM
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