December 17, 2005

What harm?

from - RSA

Over the past couple of days, liberal blogs have focused on the New York Times story about the President having authorized wiretaps without warrants on communications in the U.S., apparently a significant departure from past practice. Lacking much background in history and politics, I didn't recognize what was important about this at first. "Was anyone harmed?" I thought. Perhaps not, but that's to some extent irrelevant: the problem is that our governing principles have been harmed.

I think it may be easiest to see this by looking at conservative opinion makers, who seem to be brushing off the issue, saying, for example, that we should go after the whistle blowers (in striking contrast to their general reaction to the Plame case.) I've had worthwhile discussions--arguments, really--with conservatives in the past about our political differences. These were what we might call "principled conservatives", who seem to be going the way of, oh, Arctic ice these days. I don't see many principled justifications put forward in support of spying on Americans (aside from arguments that Bush's actions do not cross the line into illegality). Most fall into the following categories:

  • Bush says that the program is narrowly designed. In other words, the NSA only eavesdrops on people with a clear link to al Qaeda or related terrorist groups. But this is farcical on the face of it. The New York Times reports that hundreds to thousands of people are on or have been on the NSA's watch list. Does anyone believe that there that many serious terrorist sympathizers in the U.S.? If there really are, they are a pretty incompetent bunch.

  • Bush says that the program bypasses judicial red tape, for the purpose of timeliness. As many legal observers have noted, FISA almost never refuses to grant warrants, the system is organized for fast response, and the Justice Department has the legal option of getting warrants approved up to three days after they've carried out their monitoring. Red tape is a red herring.

  • Security comes before civil liberties. Some conservative bloggers have honestly noted that there's a tradeoff between security and freedom. They seem to be saying that even if the monitoring of U.S. citizens is not strictly legal, it's justified in the current circumstances. I think that a natural implication of this view is that the Bill of Rights should need to be amended to say that if the President judges that searches are appropriate, they can be carried out without judicial oversight. I haven't seen this argument made, and I doubt that it will be.

  • If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. This is an everyman argument, and appeals to an authoritarian streak in many conservatives. Being stopped on the street and asked for your papers by the police? Respectable people don't find themselves in such situations. (Even the offense of "driving while black" is sometimes justified in a similar way.) The answer to this is pretty straightforward: Would you be as happy with secret decisions in the executive branch if it were President Hillary Clinton making them? I doubt it. If the person of the President makes a difference in judging whether actions are justified or not, then we're moving away from a government of law. Statues of Justice are blindfolded for a good reason.

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Posted by RSA at December 17, 2005 11:16 PM
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Thanks for disposing of so many of the Bush Apologista talking points at once... Three things to add:

In other words, the NSA only eavesdrops on people with a clear link to al Qaeda or related terrorist groups.

1) Yeah... and don't forget that these folks have demonstrated their propensity for finding links to al Qaeda that suit their convenience. They did it when they wanted a war with Saddam -- they can do it when they want to harass peace activists or other "enemies of the state".

2) Another red herring... Al Maviva's latest raises the issue of whether Al Qaeda or other international terrorist groups can be considered a "foreign power" under FISA.

Al Mavira is talking point central for this particular flare-up, which is kind of weird... normally Drudge or Reynolds or somebody would stick their neck out to rally the troops. The fact that they don't kind of indicates that they realize that AM is just digging for excuses. The simple fact is that FISA requires a warrant for surveillance, even when they are talking to "foreign powers"... so it doesn't matter if AQ or other terrorists are foreign powers (in fact, I agree that they are)... the President's actions were clearly illegal.

3.) The other talking point is that the President needs this power in order to protect the country... well, excuse me, but couldn't he or his party leaders have mentioned that during the debate on the Patriot Act? If it were so all fired important, then why didn't somebody at least propose the necessary authority under the PA? (and if they did, and it was voted down... well then that just makes the Prez' conduct that much more unjustifiable.)

OK... getting some outrage fatigue... I better hit the sack and sleep it off.

univar.jpg Posted by smijer on December 18, 2005 10:18 PM
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I'm glad you're following the Al Maviva/FISA issue. I've read a few posts on it in various places and haven't been able to make much sense out of it; I think you've captured the essence in just a few sentences.

univar.jpg Posted by RSA on December 19, 2005 01:36 AM
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I am a very simple minded person and I do not pick up on nuances very well.

My take on the issue of spying is that the President is saying, "yes, I broke the law, so what?" The bottom line to me is that he had a rubber stamp that had already been legally set up and he just did not want to bother dipping it in the ink.

Is this really surprising for a guy that supposedly called the Constitution "just a goddamn piece of paper"?

They are all just goddamn pieces of paper George. Personally I am glad to see you drive this point home to the hoi polloi. Someday we will all understand that.

This entire topic is soon to be totally obscured by issues of "national security" and "on-going investigations".

Like me, Bush is a simple minded man. But he understands that he can do what he wants when he wants to do it. The only thing he has to prepare himself for is the harmless bitching and carping that is going to come from those who are complicit in his schemes but up for re-election.

univar.jpg Posted by Buck on December 19, 2005 08:38 AM
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