May 09, 2006
The Yellow Deli?
from - smijer
A friend saw people passing out fliers for the Yellow Deli a few weeks back. He heard they were an old '70's cult coming back in Chattanooga after having been run out of town back in the day.
Naturally, I was curious, and I googled them. Here's their side.
Very little that sounds especially sinister - they sound a lot more like the people at the Baptist churches I grew up in than the do the Jim Jones cult, this much is for sure.
It certainly is troublesome that they are vocal about their "Biblical" disciplinary methods, and that this led to investigations of child-abuse. In this part of the country, *everyone* uses "Biblical" disciplinary practices, and it is very rarely a cause for investigation into child abuse - even when it, to my mind, crosses the line into the realm of abuse. So that's scary.
Rick Ross is a "cult researcher", more respectable than most - at least these days. He gives his take here.
Here, they certainly don't sound much like anyone you'd want your kid hooking up with. Still no Heaven's gate, but... well...
But Wiseman’s own son fled Twelve Tribes and later told the Boston Herald “growing up in there…things…just weren’t right."
In 1978 the elders of the group reportedly conceded that their church had an “authoritarian character” reported the Chattanooga Times.
Twelve Tribes has also been frequently criticized for its racist teachings.Spriggs has taught his followers that “Martin Luther King and others have been inspired by the evil one to have forced equality” (”Unraveling the Races of Man” 1988).
Spriggs once observed, “It is horrible that someone would rise up to abolish slavery. What a wonderful opportunity that blacks could be brought over here to be slaves so that they could be found worthy of the nations” (”Cham and Servitude” 1991).
The group has also been called “anti-Jewish.”
Twelve Tribes teaches that “‘Jews are hostile to all men’ except those in Messiah…they are contrary, antagonistic…opposite…opposing…against…opposed…obstinate…The Jews double fallen nature is inclined to be a reproach…to the Gentiles…”(”Jews” August 1996).
Then there's this:
CultNews has learned that when members leave they most often take virtually nothing, despite whatever gifts they may have given the group and many years of hard work..Meanwhile Spriggs lives in relative luxury, spending his time at various homes in the United States, France and Brazil, while many of his followers subsist modestly in group housing.
Whenever Twelve Tribes or its “prophet” has been criticized and/or scrutinized by anyone, this has frequently been characterized as “persecution.”
It their recent public postings group members claim that “prejudice” and “fear” led to them being “driven from Chattanooga” and compared that experience to the “Salem Witch Trials.”
Twelve Tribes members also say that Spriggs and his wife Marsha moved to New England much like the “brave Pilgrims…fleeing…for freedom of religion.”
Spriggs followers then blame everything on public officials and accept no meaningful responsibility for the group’s bad behavior
Interesting. I guess I'll have to keep track of them for a while & see what it's really all about.
::Posted by smijer at May 9, 2006 08:09 AM
Looks and sounds like a garden variety gathering to me.
He is right about one thing. Hard cheese. I know from rugged experience that if you eat only hard cheese and pork skins for a month or two you will wind up as literally full of shit as Spriggs is metaphorically.
Reckon they also call Spriggs "The Deli Lama"?
| Posted by Buck on May 9, 2006 08:30 AM Link to comment |
I revised the post - I thought I wasn't going to have time to include the rest, but I made time. If half of what is quoted on Rick Ross's site is true, then it sounds worse than a "garden variety" gathering, especially with the racist talk. But, time - and further research - may tell.
| Posted by smijer on May 9, 2006 08:35 AM Link to comment |
I looked up "cult" and it pretty much covers any and everything where two or more are gathered together.
Besides the "racist" teachings where else is the "bad behaviour"?
If the members make their kids fix sandwiches at the deli I don't have a real problem with that.
It seems pretty harmless to me but I admit I have not followed and carefully read all of the links.
| Posted by Buck on May 9, 2006 09:36 AM Link to comment |
The requirement that members turn over their assets, but are not left with their original assets if and when they leave the group - that's bad. Of course, that's tithing at a regular church, too, but these days it ordinarily isn't enforced very stringently, if at all (except the LDS church).
The "Biblical" discipline, taken to enough extremes as to draw attention among the Rod-loving south... that's probably "bad".
The rest, mainly dark hints. The elders concede an authoritarian power structure -that's usually bad. The "prophet's" son ditching the church - that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it could mean something was wrong there.
| Posted by smijer on May 9, 2006 10:48 AM Link to comment |